Two PKU Professors on China’s Youth

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Two PKU Professors on China’s Youth

By Alec Ash

July 13, 2010 

Also see School Of Hard Knocks

 

In late May and early June, I interviewed professors Zhang Weiying and Pan Wei of Peking University (known as ‘Beida’). I wanted to know what the generation who grew up in the Cultural Revolution thought of the generation who grew up in the Consumer Revolution – and who could be leading China in thirty years. Here’s what they said.

 

Zhang Weiying is at the forefront of the ‘New Right’. In (much too) short, that’s the school of thought in China which favours free markets and a clean break from socialism. [1] Or as Mao might put it, capitalist roaders. Zhang helped to pioneer economic reforms in China in the early 80s, and believes that a propertied class is the foundation of civil society. (”Ownership”, he told me, “is rather a responsibility and respect for other’s property.”)

 

I asked Professor Zhang if he thought Beida could become a world class university (it was only 36th in this 2007 ranking). His first comment was that in just thirty years in China, the number of students enrolling in college in a given year has multiplied by twenty (roughly 30,000 in 1978, when universities opened again after the learning-free zone of the Cultural Revolution; 600,000 in 2009). And you expect Beida to be a world class university already?

 

He also mentioned government control in universities as a factor: Beida can’t diversify the curriculum without autonomy or academic freedom. But the problem runs deeper than that. Many of the faculty don’t encourage creativity in their students – the aim is rather to get the right answer (the “only one”). “New ideas are not encouraged. … If you go through this system,” professor Zhang continued, “you will become narrowminded.”

 

So is this what he thinks of Beida’s elite students, China’s future? No, of course there are bright sparks of independent thought (especially amongst his own students, of course…). But in the ‘post 80s’ generation as a whole, there is a worrying trend towards ziwozhongxin – self-centeredness. As the first generation of single children (the one-child policy came into effect in 1979), they “take everything for granted”.

 

One upshot of this, especially for the ‘post 90s’ kids who are not used to hardship (like the generation young during the 60s and 70s are), is that the pressure gets on top of them when they enter university or working life. Professor Zhang pointed to the spate of Foxconn suicides – all young workers who had joined the company just months before – as an example.

 

But he’s not despairing for China’s youth. After all, “they will grow up.”

 

Pan Wei is on the other side of the political spectrum, the ‘New Left’. He took his PhD at Berkeley, but back in China he was firmly of the opinion that China should follow its own path, not the West’s. His essay ‘Toward a Consultative Rule of Law Regime in China’ [2] is an interesting, provocative read, arguing that democratic elections are an unsuitable model for China.

 

When I put the same opening question – can Beida become a world class university? - to Professor Pan, he rejected its terms. Beida is a world class university if analysed within a Chinese framework, using China’s criteria. (I have to disagree: it really isn’t.) Assessing China from a Chinese perspective – and ideally using the Chinese language – is essential to him.

 

That’s why – I know I’m digressing – the NPC or renda shouldn’t be thought of as a ‘congress’, according to Professor Pan, because the term paints it as an organ of a Western political system, and so it inevitably comes across as a “rubber stamp” to Westerners. ‘Civil society’, by the same token, isn’t “suitable” for twenty-first century China. Rather, the danwei- work unit - and jiating – household/family - are.

 

A bigger problem at Beida that Professor Pan identified was the declining number of students from the countryside. According to him, 70% of PKU’s students were from rural areas in the 1950s. 60-70% in the 60s. Today, the number is less than 1%. I can’t check that figure – Chinese universities are secretive about figures which would be public in Britain – but the trend itself is certainly incontestable.

 

Onto youth. Professor Pan echoed much of what Professor Zhang said. Young Chinese, single children and without the history and suffering of his generation, “become weak”. The same memes of “individualistic” and “psychologically vulnerable” came up. Also an astute comment, I think: that, on the whole, they aren’t interested in their parents’ history (more so in their grandparents’). But you could rephrase: the problem is that parents aren’t interesting in relating their history to their children.

 

Another result of their upbringing, Professor Pan told me, was “nanxing de nuxinghua” – boys becoming more like girls (or at least ”zhongxinghua” – their neuterisation). A boy who is loved excessively (ni ai) can’t fight for himself. At this point, he declared that this results in more homosexuals. This, I should say, was delivered in the spirit of  observation not prejudice. I see no factual basis for it.

 

I won’t comment, except to add that Professor Pan also said something intelligent: that older people have always had issues with the younger generations.

 

Notes
[1] For a better description, Mark Leonard describes New Right and New Left, as well as profiling professors Zhang and Pan, in his book What does China Think?

[2] In Debating Political Reform in China, ed. Suisheng Zhao.

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  • #1

    Roger (Monday, 23 August 2010 11:20)

    This article was a reference in the article “School of Hard Knocks”. But I think it has such importance that it should be a separate article in the Education Section. The “School of Hard Knocks” approaches the problem from a socioeconomic or geographic view, while this article is more involved in the philosophical underpinnings of an educational system.

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    Roger (Monday, 23 August 2010 11:20)

    So there is no misunderstanding, I will state that I support Professor Zhang’s position very strongly. It has been my impression in chatting with people in chat groups such as English Share that people don’t really know what to say to each other. They want a topic. Their minds are frozen. They are not free to take any phrase and see a thousand meanings or possibilities. They look for the one absolute meaning. I see this in people from China. But I also see a similar problem in people in America. While they don’t seem to need a topic and many are willing to talk about any subject without stopping, they don’t have connections with other parts of their lives and don’t consider what they are saying. They are know-nothings. They are not bothered by facts. They are not bothered by a lack of information. They don’t understand the implications of what they have said and don’t connect their speech with the rest of their life and experience. The thought process of those in America and in China is very similar. Both have splintered, isolated thought bites which leave them unable to interact properly.

    Over the last 30 years or so, I have thought about a kind of behavior I have seen: School children in America in Zoos and Art Galleries and other places of culture or learning act like this:

    They are brought to the place by their teacher with a list of “things” to find. Perhaps it is “find the Ostrich and the Zebra” or perhaps it is “find Mona Lisa and as many others by this artist as are in this gallery”.

    So the children enter the area, and begin running around. Soon, one shouts “I found this” and quickly checks off that name while running off to find the next item. The child does not stop. The child does not ponder. He/she does not absorb. The child does not appreciate the wonders of the painting or the animal – does not “get lost” in the wonders of that which surrounds the “thing”. They have found the answer to the words on the paper. They have reached their goal.

    The internal growth of the mind of the child is such that he/she only increases the swelling of the stored data. No connections are made between the data and ethical, emotional, or cognitive areas of the brain. The child locks the information in a box in his/her mind, and shuts the lid tight. So each piece of data remains there, but the freedom of connectivity of data is not present. The child does not see other possibilities or feel the presence of discovery of a pattern or of a new organization of data.

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    Isaac Zhao (Wednesday, 25 August 2010 08:02)

    In group chatting, people from China are also concerned with another factor, which westerners may not be aware, ie, the China Public Security Bureau.

    If anyone is bit off the politic centre, say, critisiing the government, he/she may be in big trouble. Given current China situation, it's easy to go that way.

    So people have to be cautious, defensive of any possible spies lurking in the group...

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The writer William Dean Howells recalled his ordinary, violent Ohio childhood, immersed in his loose gang of pals, rarely catching a “glimpse of life much higher than the middle of a man.” Howells’s peers were “always stoning something,” whether friends, rivals or stray dogs. They left a trail of maimed animals behind them, often hurt in sloppy attempts to domesticate wild pets.

 

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But these unsupervised boys also formed gangs that harassed the mentally ill, the handicapped and racial and ethnic minorities. Boys played an outsize role in the anti-Irish pogroms in 1840s Philadelphia, the brutal New York City draft riots targeting African-Americans during the Civil War and attacks on Chinese laborers in Gilded Age California. These children did not invent the bigotry rampant in white America, but their unrestrained upbringing let them enact what their parents mostly muttered.

 

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So how did we get from “democratic sucklings” to helicopter parents? Though many point to a rise of parental worrying after the 1970s, this was an incremental change in a movement that began a hundred years earlier.

 

In the last quarter of the 19th century, middle-class parents launched a self-conscious project to protect children. Urban professionals began to focus on children’s vulnerabilities. Well-to-do worriers no longer needed to raise tough dairymaids or cunning newsboys; the changing economy demanded careful managers of businesses or households, and restrained company men, capable of navigating big institutions.

 

Demographics played a role as well: By 1900 American women had half as many children as they did in 1800, and those children were twice as likely to live through infancy as they were in 1850. Ironically, as their children faced fewer dangers, parents worried more about their protection.

 

Instead of seeing boys and girls as capable, clever, knockabout scamps, many reconceived children as vulnerable, weak and naïve. Reformers introduced child labor laws, divided kids by age in school and monitored their play. Jane Addams particularly worked to fit children into the new industrial order, condemning “this stupid experiment of organizing work and failing to organize play.”

 

There was good reason to tame the boys and girls of the 19th century, if only for stray cats’ sake. But somewhere between Jane Addams and Nancy Grace, Americans lost track of their larger goal. Earlier parents raised their kids to express values their society trumpeted.

 

“Precocious” 19th-century troublemakers asserted their parents’ democratic beliefs and fit into an economy that had little use for 8-year-olds but idealized striving, self-made men. Reformers designed their Boy Scouts to meet the demands of the 20th century, teaching organization and rebalancing the relationship between play and work. Both movements agreed, in their didactic ways, that playtime shaped future citizens.

 

Does the overprotected child articulate values we are proud of in 2014? Nothing is easier than judging other peoples’ parenting, but there is a side of contemporary American culture — fearful, litigious, controlling — that we do not brag about but that we reveal in our child rearing, and that runs contrary to our self-image as an open, optimistic nation. Maybe this is why sheltering parents come in for so much easy criticism: A visit to the playground exposes traits we would rather not recognize.

 

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A National Endowment for the Humanities fellow at the Massachusetts Historical Society who is writing a book on the role of young people in 19th-century American democracy.

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